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LilyHV: /* 2X Usage and Counterplay */

2023-10-28T07:43:05Z

2X Usage and Counterplay

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	* {{2}}{{X}} has six frames of invincibility at startup so it may serve as a reversal		* {{2}}{{X}} has six frames of invincibility at startup so it may serve as a reversal
	* The stomp is unblockable and can be used to whiff punish, jump landing punish, or WUS		* The stomp is unblockable and can be used to whiff punish, jump landing punish, or WUS
	** However, the needles are blockable if the stomp misses		** However, the needles are blockable if the stomp misses. Just like normal needles though, they can lead to a plus-on-block run up throw attempt.
	* Haku can hit OTG with {{2}}{{A}} after {{2}}{{X}}, building back 25% chakra, as compared to {{X}} which will consume all chakra		* Haku can hit OTG with {{2}}{{A}} after {{2}}{{X}}, building back 25% chakra, as compared to {{X}} which will consume all chakra
	* Teleports to the opponent and can punish at long rang, including back turn situations		* Teleports to the opponent and can punish at long rang, including back turn situations

LilyHV: /* Strengths */

2023-10-28T07:41:31Z

Strengths

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	** The overhead slam ({{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}}) has high damage and chakra build, but does not leave Haku time to safely set up needles if the opponent tech rolls. Threaten high reward Anti-KNJ with 2X after the slam.		** The overhead slam ({{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}}) has high damage and chakra build, but does not leave Haku time to safely set up needles if the opponent tech rolls. Threaten high reward Anti-KNJ with 2X after the slam.
	** Other combo finishers including {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{YC}}, {{6}}{{A}}{{A}}{{YC}} and {{Air}}{{B}}{{A}} may be preferable so Haku has time to set up needles.		** Other combo finishers including {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{YC}}, {{6}}{{A}}{{A}}{{YC}} and {{Air}}{{B}}{{A}} may be preferable so Haku has time to set up needles.
	* {{4}}{{B}} is one of the stronger guard frame attacks in the game- it is fast for a move of its type, and the kick lunges far in front of Haku (much longer than the faster 4B’s>. It beats backdashes due to it’s range, giving it power as an offensive and defensive option select, but can be baited out quite hard, and has a unique weakness to lows or strings with high crushes due to its property as a High.		* {{4}}{{B}} is one of the stronger guard frame attacks in the game- it is fast for a move of its type, and the kick lunges far in front of Haku (much longer than the faster 4B’s). It beats backdashes due to it’s range, giving it power as an offensive and defensive option select, but can be baited out quite hard, and has a unique weakness to lows or strings with high crushes due to its property as a High.
	* {{2}}{{X}} has uses as a reversal, full screen teleport punish (including when Haku is backturned) and a finisher, discussed in [[#2X Usage and Counterplay\|2X Usage and Counterplay]]		* {{2}}{{X}} has uses as a reversal, full screen teleport punish (including when Haku is backturned) and a finisher, discussed in [[#2X Usage and Counterplay\|2X Usage and Counterplay]]

LilyHV: /* Strengths */

2023-10-28T07:41:00Z

Strengths

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	** The overhead slam ({{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}}) has high damage and chakra build, but does not leave Haku time to safely set up needles if the opponent tech rolls. Threaten high reward Anti-KNJ with 2X after the slam.		** The overhead slam ({{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}}) has high damage and chakra build, but does not leave Haku time to safely set up needles if the opponent tech rolls. Threaten high reward Anti-KNJ with 2X after the slam.
	** Other combo finishers including {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{YC}}, {{6}}{{A}}{{A}}{{YC}} and {{Air}}{{B}}{{A}} may be preferable so Haku has time to set up needles.		** Other combo finishers including {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{YC}}, {{6}}{{A}}{{A}}{{YC}} and {{Air}}{{B}}{{A}} may be preferable so Haku has time to set up needles.
	* {{4}}{{B}} is one of the stronger guard frame attacks in the game- it is fast and lunges far in front of Haku. It beats backdashes due to it’s range, giving it power as an offensive and defensive option select, but can be baited out quite hard, and has a unique weakness to lows or strings with high crushes due to ~~it’s~~ property as a High.		* {{4}}{{B}} is one of the stronger guard frame attacks in the game- it is fast for a move of its type, and the kick lunges far in front of Haku (much longer than the faster 4B’s>. It beats backdashes due to it’s range, giving it power as an offensive and defensive option select, but can be baited out quite hard, and has a unique weakness to lows or strings with high crushes due to its property as a High.
	* {{2}}{{X}} has uses as a reversal, full screen teleport punish (including when Haku is backturned) and a finisher, discussed in [[#2X Usage and Counterplay\|2X Usage and Counterplay]]		* {{2}}{{X}} has uses as a reversal, full screen teleport punish (including when Haku is backturned) and a finisher, discussed in [[#2X Usage and Counterplay\|2X Usage and Counterplay]]

LilyHV: /* Strengths */

2023-10-28T07:38:51Z

Strengths

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	* Like many characters, {{Air}}{{A}} can be used defensively against strings which lift Haku in the air		* Like many characters, {{Air}}{{A}} can be used defensively against strings which lift Haku in the air
	* {{2}}{{A}} is a fast high crush with reach and good for quickly capitalizing on openings		* {{2}}{{A}} is a fast high crush with reach and good for quickly capitalizing on openings
	* {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} combos meterlessly, walk ~~balk~~ inbetween for consistency		* {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} combos meterlessly, walk back inbetween for consistency
	* {{8}}{{B}} is a double-hit mid attack with startup comparable to jabs and very low recovery		* {{8}}{{B}} is a double-hit mid attack with startup comparable to jabs and very low recovery
	** This makes the attack frequently preferable to his jab because of its extra active frames (to catch 4B's and sidesteps) and lack of vulnerability to high crushes. It also wins clash moments and fares significantly better vs 4B and defensive tools than Haku’s jab.		** This makes the attack frequently preferable to his jab because of its extra active frames (to catch 4B's and sidesteps) and lack of vulnerability to high crushes. It also wins clash moments and fares significantly better vs 4B and defensive tools than Haku’s jab.

LilyHV: /* Strategy */

2023-10-28T07:35:52Z

Strategy

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	===Strategy===		===Strategy===
	Haku is an all-around dominating character but suffers from low HP, making him a neutral-focused glass cannon. He boasts greatly above average normals and boxing tools, multi-hits, fast string followups, on whiff strings, and low recovery moves that make him fairly more equipped than most characters are to deal with KNJ’s inherently, and easy ways to threaten an opponent to be vulnerable to throws. All of this is stacked by the strength of needles, a high-versatility projectile that gets set up in the air, leading to infinites on hit, pressure on block, and further development of his pressure layers to get throws, build a huge HP lead, or blow up subs into clean and structural round wins.		Haku is an all-around dominating character but suffers from low HP, making him a neutral-focused glass cannon. He boasts greatly above average normals and boxing tools, multi-hits, fast string followups, on whiff strings, and low recovery moves that make him fairly more equipped than most characters are to deal with KNJ’s inherently, and easy ways to threaten an opponent to be vulnerable to throws. All of this is stacked by the strength of needles, a high-versatility projectile that gets set up in the air, leading to infinites on hit, pressure on block, and further development of his pressure layers to get throws, build a huge HP lead, or blow up subs into clean and structural round wins.

	On top of Haku’s ability to play proactive and win from pressure, he has some of the most amazing defense options in the entire game. {{4}}{{B}} is by and large arguably the best back B in the game, consistently usable on reaction to beat a majority of attacks heading your way, and is generally applicable against strings as well. It’s easier than in vanilla for the opponent to bait it out with a delayed attack or string, and if Haku does a particularly auto-pilot 4B, they can block and get a high damage divekick combo starter.		On top of Haku’s ability to play proactive and win from pressure, he has some of the most amazing defense options in the entire game. {{4}}{{B}} is by and large arguably the best back B in the game, consistently usable on reaction to beat a majority of attacks heading your way, and is generally applicable against strings as well. It’s easier than in vanilla for the opponent to bait it out with a delayed attack or string, and if Haku does a particularly auto-pilot 4B, they can block and get a high damage divekick combo starter.
	Haku’s {{2}}{{X}} is an interesting teleporting reversal that leads to decent damage and a {{2}}{{A}} OTG for some meter to start needle-play with. Easily applicable to beat fullscreen options and chip outs, and it can beat wake up supers except the most active ones (Kabuto, or Tayuya’s genjutsu) or multihits (Neji, Woke Hinata, Iruka and Mizuki). If your opponent baits it, properly punishes, or scares Haku into doing a badly timed 2X, he certainly loses the round and gets TOD’d by the next conversion.		Haku’s {{2}}{{X}} is an interesting teleporting reversal that leads to decent damage and a {{2}}{{A}} OTG for some meter to start needle-play with. Easily applicable to beat fullscreen options and chip outs, and it can beat wake up supers except the most active ones (Kabuto, or Tayuya’s genjutsu) or multihits (Neji, Woke Hinata, Iruka and Mizuki). If your opponent baits it, properly punishes, or scares Haku into doing a badly timed 2X, he certainly loses the round and gets TOD’d by the next conversion.

LilyHV: /* Strategy */

2023-10-28T07:35:17Z

Strategy

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	===Strategy===		===Strategy===
	Haku is an all-around dominating character but suffers from low HP, making him a neutral-focused glass cannon. He boasts greatly above average normals and boxing tools, multi-hits, fast string followups, on whiff strings, and low recovery moves that make him fairly more equipped than most characters are to deal with KNJ’s inherently, and easy ways to threaten an opponent to be vulnerable to throws. All of this is stacked by the strength of needles, a high-versatility projectile that gets set up in the air, leading to infinites on hit, pressure on block, and further development of his pressure layers to get throws, build a huge HP lead, or blow up subs into clean and structural round wins.		Haku is an all-around dominating character but suffers from low HP, making him a neutral-focused glass cannon. He boasts greatly above average normals and boxing tools, multi-hits, fast string followups, on whiff strings, and low recovery moves that make him fairly more equipped than most characters are to deal with KNJ’s inherently, and easy ways to threaten an opponent to be vulnerable to throws. All of this is stacked by the strength of needles, a high-versatility projectile that gets set up in the air, leading to infinites on hit, pressure on block, and further development of his pressure layers to get throws, build a huge HP lead, or blow up subs into clean and structural round wins.
			On top of Haku’s ability to play proactive and win from pressure, he has some of the most amazing defense options in the entire game. {{4}}{{B}} is by and large arguably the best back B in the game, consistently usable on reaction to beat a majority of attacks heading your way, and is generally applicable against strings as well. It’s easier than in vanilla for the opponent to bait it out with a delayed attack or string, and if Haku does a particularly auto-pilot 4B, they can block and get a high damage divekick combo starter.
			Haku’s {{2}}{{X}} is an interesting teleporting reversal that leads to decent damage and a {{2}}{{A}} OTG for some meter to start needle-play with. Easily applicable to beat fullscreen options and chip outs, and it can beat wake up supers except the most active ones (Kabuto, or Tayuya’s genjutsu) or multihits (Neji, Woke Hinata, Iruka and Mizuki). If your opponent baits it, properly punishes, or scares Haku into doing a badly timed 2X, he certainly loses the round and gets TOD’d by the next conversion.

	===Strengths===		===Strengths===

LilyHV: /* Strategy */

2023-10-28T07:21:44Z

Strategy

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	===Strategy===		===Strategy===
	Haku is an all-around dominating character but suffers from low HP, making him a ~~nuetral~~-focused glass cannon. He boasts greatly above average normals and boxing tools, multi-hits, fast string followups, on whiff strings, and low recovery moves that make him fairly more equipped than most characters are to deal with KNJ’s inherently, and easy ways to threaten an opponent to be vulnerable to throws. All of this is stacked by the strength of needles, a high-versatility projectile that gets set up in the air, leading to infinites on hit, pressure on block, and further development of his pressure layers to get throws, build a huge HP lead, or blow up subs into clean and structural round wins.		Haku is an all-around dominating character but suffers from low HP, making him a neutral-focused glass cannon. He boasts greatly above average normals and boxing tools, multi-hits, fast string followups, on whiff strings, and low recovery moves that make him fairly more equipped than most characters are to deal with KNJ’s inherently, and easy ways to threaten an opponent to be vulnerable to throws. All of this is stacked by the strength of needles, a high-versatility projectile that gets set up in the air, leading to infinites on hit, pressure on block, and further development of his pressure layers to get throws, build a huge HP lead, or blow up subs into clean and structural round wins.

	===Strengths===		===Strengths===

LilyHV at 07:21, 28 October 2023

2023-10-28T07:21:19Z

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	===Strategy===		===Strategy===
			Haku is an all-around dominating character but suffers from low HP, making him a nuetral-focused glass cannon. He boasts greatly above average normals and boxing tools, multi-hits, fast string followups, on whiff strings, and low recovery moves that make him fairly more equipped than most characters are to deal with KNJ’s inherently, and easy ways to threaten an opponent to be vulnerable to throws. All of this is stacked by the strength of needles, a high-versatility projectile that gets set up in the air, leading to infinites on hit, pressure on block, and further development of his pressure layers to get throws, build a huge HP lead, or blow up subs into clean and structural round wins.

	===Strengths===		===Strengths===

LilyHV at 07:13, 28 October 2023

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	\|{{X}}		\|{{X}}
	\|21f startup, costs 100% meter, standard cinematic super		\|21f startup, costs 100% meter, standard cinematic super. Airborne confirms tend to drop lower in the combo counter than most characters in Super. 5 hits -> BBX is guaranteed on all chars, 6 hits -> BBX is guaranteed on most characters, and 7+ hits is char-dependent or needs the opponent against a wall.
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	\|{{2}}{{X}}		\|{{2}}{{X}}

LilyHV at 07:09, 28 October 2023

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	\|{{2}}{{B}}		\|{{2}}{{B}}
	\|23f startup, high crushes on frame 7, on the slower end for sweeps		\|23f startup, high crushes on frame 7, on the slower end for sweeps but has low on-hit recovery
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	\|{{4}}{{B}}		\|{{4}}{{B}}
	\|~~16f~~ startup, 10 guard frames, making it one of the fastest and best 4bs in the game, can be low profiled		\|19f startup, 10 guard frames, making it one of the fastest and best 4bs in the game, can be low profiled
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	\|{{6}}{{B}}		\|{{6}}{{B}}
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	\|{{Run}}{{B}}		\|{{Run}}{{B}}
	\|19f startup, unsafe on block		\|19f startup, unsafe on block, stronger in-tandem with needle use
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	\|{{Air}}{{B}}		\|{{Air}}{{B}}
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	\|{{Run}}{{A}}		\|{{Run}}{{A}}
	\|Running kunais, plus on block, ~~deals chip~~		\|Running kunais, plus on block and chips, worse than comparable run kunais like Kabuto’s
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	\|{{Air}}{{A}}		\|{{Air}}{{A}}
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	\|{{2}}{{X}}		\|{{2}}{{X}}
	\|17f startup, costs 100% meter, high and mid invulnerability for 6 frames, teleports to opponent on activation, stomp activator can be jumped or stepped, projectiles deal chip damage; guarantees a {{2}}{{A}} OTG		\|17f startup, costs 100% meter, high and mid invulnerability for 6 frames, teleports to opponent on activation, stomp activator can be jumped, or stepped consistently due to 2 active frames; projectiles deal chip damage; guarantees a {{2}}{{A}} OTG
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	* Like many characters, {{Air}}{{A}} can be used defensively against strings which lift Haku in the air		* Like many characters, {{Air}}{{A}} can be used defensively against strings which lift Haku in the air
	* {{2}}{{A}} is a fast high crush with reach and good for quickly capitalizing on openings		* {{2}}{{A}} is a fast high crush with reach and good for quickly capitalizing on openings
	* {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} combos meterlessly		* {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} > {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} combos meterlessly, walk balk inbetween for consistency
	* {{8}}{{B}} is a double-hit mid attack with startup comparable to jabs and ~~good~~ recovery		* {{8}}{{B}} is a double-hit mid attack with startup comparable to jabs and very low recovery
	** This makes the attack frequently preferable to his jab because of its extra active frames (to catch 4B's and sidesteps) and lack of vulnerability to high crushes		** This makes the attack frequently preferable to his jab because of its extra active frames (to catch 4B's and sidesteps) and lack of vulnerability to high crushes. It also wins clash moments and fares significantly better vs 4B and defensive tools than Haku’s jab.
	** {{8}}{{B}}{{A}} can be performed on whiff making it relatively safe to throw out in neutral		** {{8}}{{B}}{{A}} can be performed on whiff making it relatively safe to throw out in neutral
	* Haku prefers to end combos with a knockdown before the opponent substitutes so he can build chakra and set up needles		* Haku prefers to end combos with a knockdown before the opponent substitutes so he can build chakra and set up needles
	** The overhead slam ({{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}}) has high damage and chakra build, but does not leave Haku time to safely set up needles if the opponent tech rolls		** The overhead slam ({{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}}) has high damage and chakra build, but does not leave Haku time to safely set up needles if the opponent tech rolls. Threaten high reward Anti-KNJ with 2X after the slam.
	** Other combo finishers including {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{YC}}, {{6}}{{A}}{{A}}{{YC}} and {{Air}}{{B}}{{A}} may be preferable so Haku has time to set up needles.		** Other combo finishers including {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{YC}}, {{6}}{{A}}{{A}}{{YC}} and {{Air}}{{B}}{{A}} may be preferable so Haku has time to set up needles.
	* {{4}}{{B}} is one of the stronger guard frame attacks in the game- it is fast and lunges far in front of Haku		* {{4}}{{B}} is one of the stronger guard frame attacks in the game- it is fast and lunges far in front of Haku. It beats backdashes due to it’s range, giving it power as an offensive and defensive option select, but can be baited out quite hard, and has a unique weakness to lows or strings with high crushes due to it’s property as a High.
	* {{2}}{{X}} has uses as a reversal, full screen teleport punish (including when Haku is backturned) and a finisher, discussed in [[#2X Usage and Counterplay\|2X Usage and Counterplay]]		* {{2}}{{X}} has uses as a reversal, full screen teleport punish (including when Haku is backturned) and a finisher, discussed in [[#2X Usage and Counterplay\|2X Usage and Counterplay]]

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	* The need to reserve chakra for needles also discourages the use of his {{X}} and {{2}}{{X}} supers as their use effectively weakens Haku himself		* The need to reserve chakra for needles also discourages the use of his {{X}} and {{2}}{{X}} supers as their use effectively weakens Haku himself
	* Without the threat of needles, Haku's blockstrings leave him fairly vulnerable		* Without the threat of needles, Haku's blockstrings leave him fairly vulnerable
	** {{B}}{{B}}{{B}} can be sidestepped or jumped		** {{B}}{{B}}{{B}} can be sidestepped or jumped, {{B}}{{B}}{{A}} can be dodged with a stricter sidestep timing.
	** {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} can be avoided with a back walk or punished with a jump attack		** {{2}}{{A}}{{B}} can be avoided with a back-walk, a step, or punished with a jump attack. {{2}}{{B}}{{B}} is also avoided with backwalk, unless the opponent is agaisnt a wall.
	** Haku is minus after {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}} (the overhead slam) and can be throw punished		** Haku is minus after {{2}}{{A}}{{B}}{{B}} (the overhead slam) and can be throw punished. Haku can high-crush here but will consistently lose to mid jabs.
	** The {{6}}{{A}}{{B}}{{A}} sequence is severely minus on block and punishable; Haku will rely on mixing up the ending of his string to keep the opponent guessing		** The {{6}}{{A}}{{B}}{{A}} sequence is severely minus on block and punishable; Haku will rely on mixing up the ending of his string to keep the opponent guessing
	** {{4}}{{B}} can be punished with a jump attack or throw punished		** {{4}}{{B}} can be hard punished with a jump attack (divekicks) or throw punished
	* [[Sidestep#Sidestep-cancel_run\|Sidestep-cancel run]] can quickly punish attempts to set needles		* [[Sidestep#Sidestep-cancel_run\|Sidestep-cancel run]] can quickly punish attempts to set needles
	* Combo needle loops can be punished with a KNJ timed just as Haku goes to jump -> {{Air}}{{A}}		* Combo needle loops can be punished with a KNJ timed just as Haku goes to jump -> {{Air}}{{A}}
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	* Haku can make unsafe block strings safe by releasing needles		* Haku can make unsafe block strings safe by releasing needles
	* Haku can punish incoming attacks by releasing needles		* Haku can punish incoming attacks by releasing needles
	** Held needles drop if Haku is hit or blocks an attack thus Haku should release A before an incoming attack comes into contact with him		** Held needles drop if Haku is hit or blocks an attack, or if he presses {{4}}{{B}}, thus Haku should release A before an incoming attack comes into contact with him.

	====Okizeme====		====Okizeme====
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	* Teleports to the opponent and can punish at long rang, including back turn situations		* Teleports to the opponent and can punish at long rang, including back turn situations
	** Haku can {{B}}{{B}}{{2}}{{X}} on whiff		** Haku can {{B}}{{B}}{{2}}{{X}} on whiff
	* The stomp is avoidable with the invincibility frames of a sidestep and will whiff if the opponent is airborne		* The stomp is avoidable with the invincibility frames of a sidestep (guaranteed 2 frame window) and will whiff if the opponent is airborne
	** A missed {{2}}{{X}} can be punished with jab or a divekick (if in the air)- at which point the needles will not launch		** A missed {{2}}{{X}} can be punished with jab or a divekick (if in the air)- at which point the needles will not launch

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	* 5BB(A) (flip): Replaced with 6A and its follow-ups.		* 5BB(A) (flip): Replaced with 6A and its follow-ups.
	* 2B: hitbox appears one frame sooner; hit direction changed slightly to assist follow ups		* 2B: hitbox appears one frame sooner; hit direction changed slightly to assist follow ups
	* 2B(B): launch height and type adjusted for more consistency on characters it used to drop on		* 2B(B): launch height and type adjusted (spin launch on first hit) for more consistency on characters it used to drop on
	* 2B(A) (flip): replaced with 6A(A)		* 2B(A) (flip): replaced with 6A(A)
	* 5BB(8A) and 6B(8A) added: Performs flip; properly low crushes		* 5BB(8A) and 6B(8A) added: Performs flip; properly low crushes
	* 2BA(A) (flip slash): is unblockable		* 2BA(A) (flip slash): is unblockable
	* JB(A): Added as JA		* JB(A): Added as JA
	* 6A: hits twice; damage is distributed between the two hits		* 6A: hits twice; damage is distributed between the two hits. One of the more notable buffs especially with its midstring appearance
	* 4A: window improved		* 4A: window improved
	* A4A: appears above 14 frames faster, activation is unblockable and unsubbable; hitboxes are bigger and better placed; moves quicker		* A4A: appears above 14 frames faster, activation is unblockable and unsubbable; hitboxes are bigger and better placed; moves quicker